A Strange and Wonderful Experience

[starseeker]

Yes, I have read that book. ( I love NDW!)
I know what you mean, I understand the concept that many souls come here to do bad things for good reasons etc. But still, it is hard to contemplate, especially in the magnitude of events like 9/11, and I have to admire the strength it takes, even art spirit level to do this. Of course, the human doesn't usually know they have a higher purpose, they just know the hate or desperation or whatever human emotion it is that drives them towards their soul's goal.

That's why I wondered (above) if some of the souls here, as parts of Christ consciousness, are actually perpetrating bad things in their journey to raising human awareness.
It would seem strange that Christ consciousness would be doing these things, but on the other hand it would make sense.
Just another thing to ponder on...

[Broken Arrow]

yep, more to ponder....that's for sure

[blue triangle]

Bill,

You know I have a theory that Christ has returned, not as a single person, but as many different people, all with different parts to play. I was once told ''There are millions of us.'' If that is true, then about 1 in every 1000 people has been planted here to bring about the great shift in human consciousness that is now occurring.

That is quite a thought! I have always felt that the return would be more along the lines of a consiousness returning and not a single person. But if you consider that one soul could split itself off and be born into more than one body at a time, then the possibilty of what you have said is more than just a possibility.

There's a bible passage trying to make itself known in my brain right now and I don't have a bible handy to check it out. Maybe it means something here. What does it say? ........The dead in Christ will rise first? Or was it "Those asleep in Christ rise first"? ....the time of ascension. Who rises first with the others to be raised after the time of tribulation?

       
The passage is 1 Thess. 4:16

I was going to do a longer posting but the computer is playing up now, so I'll have to go. But, like Arnie, I'll be back....

BT

[Broken Arrow]

I'll be waiting


(by the way, there's not many of us here anymore)

[blue triangle]

Bill,

You know I have a theory that Christ has returned, not as a single person, but as many different people, all with different parts to play. I was once told ''There are millions of us.'' If that is true, then about 1 in every 1000 people has been planted here to bring about the great shift in human consciousness that is now occurring.

That is quite a thought! I have always felt that the return would be more along the lines of a consiousness returning and not a single person. But if you consider that one soul could split itself off and be born into more than one body at a time, then the possibilty of what you have said is more than just a possibility.

I can't work this ****ing computer of my daughter's, so this may be garbled...I'll try my best.

I think I mean this: that there is a raising of human consciousness, in that more and more people are awakening and becoming of service. They are being filled with the Spirit of Christ, which is available to all, of course, but is only fully taken advantage of by a relatively few people. THis raising of consciousness allows higher consciousness to interact more with this dimension of being and create events such as 9/11 and a code in the NIV to explain it. This is what I think is meant by the SEcond Coming of Christ.

 The screen's gonae funny agan. I'll get to anothe rpuer soon.

Bil

[starseeker]

Yes, that is pretty much the way I understand it too.
Added to that....we have lots of events occuring that are (hopefully) bringing people's thoughts around to a new less violent and self-seeking way of thinking too. AT least, this is what they are supposed to be doing. Sometimes I think I see evidence of the human mind-set as a whole becoming better, and other times I'm not so sure I do.

[Broken Arrow]

Ok, well that's pretty much how I see it too....so we're on the same page there.

I read something somewhere on line and forgot where, and couldn't find it again...that the anti Christ was actually the Church itself. That Christian leaders within the Church (I use the word church here with a capital letter to refer to organized religion  and not one specific Christian church...more like ALL of them) have placed themselves and the Church between man and the true God.

It was an interesting thought and one I have not been able to get out of my mind.

[Broken Arrow]

Oh Maggie, you posted as I posted and I missed seeing you there.

I have to say that seeing so much darkness is just an awareness of the darkness. You have to be part of the higher vibration to even notice it. So the more who see it, the more whom dwell in that higher vibration. Eventually the whole planet is raised in vibration.

I also wonder if there were no TV or internet just how much darkness would we be aware of.......would this ascension thing have happened without TV and the internet?

[blue triangle]

Yes, that is pretty much the way I understand it too.
Added to that....we have lots of events occuring that are (hopefully) bringing people's thoughts around to a new less violent and self-seeking way of thinking too. AT least, this is what they are supposed to be doing. Sometimes I think I see evidence of the human mind-set as a whole becoming better, and other times I'm not so sure I do.

Hi Starseeker,

I'm very glad you and Broken Arrow see things in much the same way as myself! I have a lot of respect for you both.

Just to finish what I've been trying to say for a couple of days now...this raising of consciousness is at once a mass phenomenon and an individual experience. As the 'vibration' is raised, more and more people wake up and realise who they are and why they're here. But at the same time it is an individual experience. Every person who awakens has been on an individual journey, and can see how they have been guided by a higher power to their awakening (that is certainly my own experience). Moreover, I think it is known in advance who will awaken and who will not in any one lifetime. Certain souls have incarnated at this time to help in the shift and were destined to awaken at the right time. These are the souls - and I think there are many - that perhaps form the Christ consciousness. This mass wave of souls would then be part of the event Christians call the second coming - but are also here to initiate the second coming. It's like a supersaturated solution. Just throw in a few seeds and crystalisation begins, which begets more crystals, which begets more crystalisation......

I think ultimately everybody is part of the second coming and the raising of consciousness, even 'non-spiritual' people. Just the act of living is enough to make a contribution. Regarding what you said earlier, I think that this might also include 'bad' people. God's idea of evil and man's are probably not the same and many things that people regard as evil are only evil from their own limited viewpoint, or understanding. Don't get me wrong though. I think that a lot of evil acts are just that: evil, committed by immature souls or souls in immature moments and reprehensible, because they hurt people and hold us all back. I think however that God might 'use' evil in such a way as to bring the best out of people. We're often at our best when things are toughest.  Also, some evil may be necessary to prevent greater evils from occurring. The evil committed on 9/11 may have been necessary to stop a much greater evil - global capitalism - from destroying us all.

On Jesus, I once had a dream where I was shown a dark-skinned, arabic man, who could have been bin Laden, on whom was then overlain a white-skinned man, who could have been Pope John Paul II (he also looked abit like Nick Bunick). Underneath were the words THIS IS JESUS. So these two individuals could also have been Jesus - or maybe they just represented him, like actors playing parts.

I was once shown a vision of myself as a blue seed which had sprouted a green shoot, but which had also been punctured by something (like an insect). I have also been told I'm not from earth. I don't exactly know what that means, but you might say I was an alien soul in a human body, or something like that. I've had numerous dreams on that theme too, all saying that I'm from somewhere else, here on a mission, which has been at least partially successful, but also that I've become 'contaminated' in some way.

BT

[Broken Arrow]

You've become human and that is so foriegn to you that it feels like contamination.
My husband is not from this planet either. I am not sure about me. I used to feel, long ago, that my true home was somewhere else, but I think now that I probably felt home was the spiritual realm and not another planet. My life has been all about reconnecting to the world of spirit. I really have no interest in other planets. Of course my lack of interest might be because I already know in my soul all there is to know about them so who knows?

I've had several past life readings tell me I lived somewhere in which I have no interest in in this life time. In fact I would say I even find most of the past life locales to be places I don't even like in his life time.....

Perhaps I am a  "Been there, Done that" sort of soul.

Interesting visions you had there Bill!

[starseeker]

Yet another interesting conversation...of which we have many!

I have always believed the humans belong on Earth...but our souls are not neccessarily human are they? They are just souls inhabiting a human body which does in time die, leaving the soul free to go back to spirit and then if it so chooses...to be re-born into another body. But, who is to say that this new body has to be on earth, and has to be human? I am sure that many of us, (if not all of us) have lived lives as other beings on other planets.
I have been told by spirit that I have lived on Sirius, and that my soul regards this as its' original home. (Sirius is blue and has special connections to that colour.)

I have no particular interest in other planets, or astronomy, or aliens, but I do believe this - I think!

Has anyone read the book "The Host"? Lisa may have. It is by Stephenie Meyer, (She of "Twilight" fame.)

It is a novel, and does not have a spiritual theme as such, and is purely a work of fiction.
It does follow a really interesting concept though, that of souls being born and reborn on many many different planets as very different beings each time, and as well as being an enjoyable read, it is quite fascinating to read a story based on  this concept.

[blue triangle]

Ok, well that's pretty much how I see it too....so we're on the same page there.

I read something somewhere on line and forgot where, and couldn't find it again...that the anti Christ was actually the Church itself. That Christian leaders within the Church (I use the word church here with a capital letter to refer to organized religion  and not one specific Christian church...more like ALL of them) have placed themselves and the Church between man and the true God.

It was an interesting thought and one I have not been able to get out of my mind.

Based on my own experience with Christians (I work for a Christian charity) I have to say there's a lot of truth in that. I think that most Christians (not all) are less aware, not more aware, than the average person. They're harder to work with too and seem to have more problems, not less, than most. I think that may be because they're attracted to many worldly things they know they're not supposed to indulge in. They have an angel on one shoulder and a devil on the other and so they're conflicted. I still think that chuches do a lot of good work, though. My own charity does a lot of goodwork in Edinburgh with the homeless, supported by many churches in the town.

They're very suspicious of anything 'gnostic', and I'm gnostic through and through, of course, so I'm viewed as dangerous. They see me coming to work with books about dreams or Jung or whatever interests me at the time and they thin I'm flirting with the occult. You may think I'm exaggerating but the director of residential ervices (my boss's boss) came to work one day, after hearing about my gnostic tendencies, and told me ''You'd better not be a satanist!''. I realised then that promotion opportunities were going to be few and far between....

BT

[blue triangle]

You've become human and that is so foriegn to you that it feels like contamination.

That's spot on, I think. It's an area of conflict for me (like my Christian colleagues).
 

My husband is not from this planet either. I am not sure about me. I used to feel, long ago, that my true home was somewhere else, but I think now that I probably felt home was the spiritual realm and not another planet. My life has been all about reconnecting to the world of spirit. I really have no interest in other planets. Of course my lack of interest might be because I already know in my soul all there is to know about them so who knows?

I think you may be right. That may be true of me too, although, like Starseeker, I've been told I have a connection to Sirius. Occasionally music has taken me to a place where I feel I am on the verge of remembering things from some spiritual realm. It moves me to tears when I think about it.

I've had several past life readings tell me I lived somewhere in which I have no interest in in this life time. In fact I would say I even find most of the past life locales to be places I don't even like in his life time.....

I'd be interested in hearing about some of those (if that's not intrusive).

[blue triangle]

Yet another interesting conversation...of which we have many!

Yes, we always do!

I have always believed the humans belong on Earth...but our souls are not neccessarily human are they? They are just souls inhabiting a human body which does in time die, leaving the soul free to go back to spirit and then if it so chooses...to be re-born into another body. But, who is to say that this new body has to be on earth, and has to be human? I am sure that many of us, (if not all of us) have lived lives as other beings on other planets.
I have been told by spirit that I have lived on Sirius, and that my soul regards this as its' original home. (Sirius is blue and has special connections to that colour.)

I agree with what you say about souls. Yes, perhaps we can go to many different worlds. It's also possible that we can be tied in to one world until we've learned or completed something.

What you said about Sirius may be true of me too! I was once called 'Sirius Sue' in a big dream I had about leaving here and going off in a plane back home. I was a child and delighted to be going home. The connection with the colour blue (which has always been my favourite colour) is obviously fascinating too. I'll have to go look up some information on Sirius (astronomically and spiritually).

I have no particular interest in other planets, or astronomy, or aliens, but I do believe this - I think!

Has anyone read the book "The Host"? Lisa may have. It is by Stephenie Meyer, (She of "Twilight" fame.)

It is a novel, and does not have a spiritual theme as such, and is purely a work of fiction.
It does follow a really interesting concept though, that of souls being born and reborn on many many different planets as very different beings each time, and as well as being an enjoyable read, it is quite fascinating to read a story based on  this concept.

I'm going to buy a book today. I'll look out for it!

BT

[Broken Arrow]

well I honestly believe, since we are eternal beings, that we must have lived lives on other planets in other star systems and even in other universes. I am pretty sure this is not the only universe. As humans and coming from a finite mind, we tend to have difficulty comprehending the concept of eternity. There's alot of time there! LOL

Bill, it's interesting that Sirius is a blue planet and your vision was of you being blue seed and sprouting a  green shoot. Although earth is called "the blue marble" or blue planet by many astronauts and space people, in fact it's a green planet due to its vegetation.  And plants sprout from seeds.


As for my past lives....well they were all pretty boring. All of the readings really helped me deal with health or emotional issues in this life time. I saw the cause of current issues today, in other words. I would rather not be specific on what countries I don't care for today since I do have lurkers on the forum and I don't want to offend anyone who might be from one of those countries.

Scotland is not on that list though!  

I will share one past life reading with you though. It is the one Murray was most interested in. I don't think I have ever spoken publicly about it before. I actually had recieved this past life in more than one reading during my life, by many different people. It came up alot so I guess it's true. I never told anyone about it when I would ask for a past life reading cause I didn't want to feed any body any ideas. I was told on many occasions that I was an Essene teacher and taught Jesus. I was told that I wanted to follow him when he began his ministry but he specifically told me no. He wanted me to stay behind and keep teaching and care for the young people. What's funny is that in Julia Ingram's book, The Lost Sisterhood (I think that's the title. It's been several years since I read it) she repeats a past life reading for Ruth Montgomery in which the exact same thing was told to Ruth during her time with Jesus. When I read that part of the book I literally dropped the book to the floor and sat with my jaw dropped for quite some time. It was shocking to see that in print. Perhaps Ruth Montgomery and I were both teachers back then...or perhaps she and I share a soul. I do believe that one soul splits off and lives many lives and alot of them at the same time. So that might be it. I kind of doubt that though. It feels more like she and I were both teachers. Or maybe she was just a mother. I can't recall the specifics in Julia Ingram's book. Ruth and I were both told though, to not follow Jesus and stay and continue caring for the young ones who needed us.


I guess that is why I don't join any group of followers in this life time. I continue working alone and helping others as they come into my life.  And I might add, in this life time I have absolutely no interest in learning anything about the Essenes. Like I said, I think if I lived a life as someone in some area, I have no interest in it during this life time.

I am probably from Venus.